Hi Chris,
You’ll be pleased to hear that your wheelset is finished and ready to be fitted to your bike.
If you’d like to have the wheels fitted and set up by us here, then please book yourself in with Paul who can take care of this end of things for you. He’ll also be able to order appropriate rotors for you if needed.
Thanks again for ordering from us here and I’m confident you’re going to be very pleased with your wheels! For reference, the front wheel is built with sapim D-Light 294mm, and the rear with Sapim Race 293/295mm. Your wheel numbers are #1498 and #1499, should you need to contact me In future or need any information about your wheels, please reference these numbers.
Cheers, and have a great weekend.
Rob
On Tue, 23 Aug 2022, 17:38 Christopher Paine, christopher.paine@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
Thanks Rob… all black.
Will look out for payment link and sort asap.
From: Rob Borek <rob@foreverpedalling.com>
Sent: 23 August 2022 17:37
To: Christopher Paine <christopher.paine@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 2 Wheelsets
Hi Chris,
Thanks for comfirming your choice, I'm sure you'll be happy with the XR391. DT swiss have a fantastic reputation for reliability, and having built quite a few of them there's no alloy rim i'd reccomend over them.
I'l be sending a prepayment link over to you shortly, and your wheels should be completed within two weeks of payment being made.
To confirm, would you like all components to be black? You do have the option of a range of hub colours and black or silver spokes, but looking at your bike its very stealthy so i'd say going all black is probbaly the best shout!
Many Thanks,
Rob
On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 4:13 PM Christopher Paine <christopher.paine@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Thanks Rob.
Let's go with XR391s...
do you need a down payment ?
and when should I drop off the old wheelset ? (Will drop off both wheels cos front needs trueing)
From: Rob Borek <rob@foreverpedalling.com>
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2022, 13:58
To: Christopher Paine <christopher.paine@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: 2 Wheelsets
Hi Chris,
The suggestion of the XR361 is due to it being exceptionally light weight for it's width. You're correct that the trend is tending towards wider rims, however it is possible to go too far here, and with rim width comes added weight, so it's a trade off to be made. I'd made that suggestion with 50mm in mind, though if you're regularly using tyres of up to 60mm then going a tad wider is a good suggestion.
A good alternative would be the XR391, these come in at 440g per rim, which is about as light as alloy rims get within this category, and 25mm internal width. if you're running knobbly tyres then you want to avoid going too wide so as not to excessively square off the tyre. This is something often overlooked when choosing rims, but it is possible to go too wide, at which point the cornering tread of the tyre engages too early, and can affect the handling performance of the bike when leaning into turns. Its worth considering that many mountainbikers still consider 25mm to be the ideal width when paired with tyres around 2.5".
I should be able to source an exact match for your damaged WTB rim. I charge £50 labout per built plus the rim cost (likely £50-75 depending on exact model), plus spokes if required. Where swapping the wheels within the bike is concerned its worth noting that disc spacing and casette position will vary slightly between hubs, so you may have to adjust your gears and brakes when changing wheels. The only way to assure that this won't be an issue is to run identical hubs and disc rotors across both wheelsets. I'd be inclined to suggest that the new wheelset will be suitible for bikepacking (and perform better) without you requiring to switch between them.
I only take care of wheels here at FP, but if you wanted to book the bike in with Tim or Paul to have the wheels fitted along with a new set of rotors, then they'd be happy to acomodate this for you.
Hope that helps, let me know if you have any further questions,
Rob
On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 11:10 AM Christopher Paine <christopher.paine@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Rob
Thanks for email. I think an overarching thing to bear in mind is that I won’t be riding less than 50mm tires on any of my wheelsets, whatever the purpose of the ride. Would be interested to know overall wheelset weight at some point.
New Wheelset (will use fat slicks and road riding, light gravel only)
Happy to go with Hope4 pro hub suggestion, spoke count, spokes. I assume freehub body will hold SRAM PG-1130 cassette currently running. Regarding rims, what is the internal rim width of DT swiss XR361 rim ? Google reckons 22.5 mm which I think is too small. Given size of tires will be running I was looking for 28mm inner width to give better profile. Wanted to check you agree with this.
Will I need to source / fit rotors myself … currently TRP Spyre-C, 160 mm if able to able to accommodate.
Old Wheelset (will use for bike packing road and gravel)
The rear wheel rim has deformed. The spokes haven’t seized and hubs are still good. Happy to bring in when convenient. Guess we prob need new rim, again thinking 28mm inner… these will be for bikepacking.
Planning to run same/similar cassette size on both wheels so can just swap out the wheels no fuss.
Chris.
From: Rob Borek <rob@foreverpedalling.com>
Sent: 16 August 2022 15:12
To: Christopher Paine <christopher.paine@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: New Wheelset and existing wheelset advice
Hi Chris,
Thanks for getting in touch and apologies for the delay in getting back to you, it's been a busy couple of days.
I certainly can help with a set of wheels for the Cutthroat, however your use of the bike does throw up a few things worth considering
Mainly there aren't road specific rims which are designed for the size of tyre your using, so we'd be looking at building a light weight gravel wheelset. The other factor here is that your frame uses mountainbike spacing, which limits us to Boost hubs, most of which are heavier than thier roadie counterparts. I know you mention dialling in the new wheelset to be more road focused... the only way we could really acheive this would be if you were open to changing to a smaller tyre and therefore narrower rim? but I appreciate your point that the bike wouldnt quite look right with skinny road rubber on.
My suggested option would be to go for a DT swiss XR361 rim, which would come in at £535 built onto Hope Pro4 hubs. We could go for a 28h spoke count, and use a Sapim D-light spoke which trims a few grams over the more commonly used 'Race' spoke.
It's difficult to give a veiw on the WTB's without seeing them in the flesh. If the rims are bent then it may be that they cannot be trued, or if nipples are seized then they could require a rebuild with new spokes and nipples. I'd be happy to take a quick look over them and see if anything can be done.
Hope that helps, let me know if you have any further thoughts or questions?
Rob
On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 11:27 AM Christopher Paine <christopher.paine@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Rob
I am looking to get set of wheels . Can you help ?
Salsa cutthroat 2020 SRAM apex
Bike only looks/rides good when tires are 50mm plus ‘cos got loads of clearance
6 bolt disc brakes
Boost thru axel dimensions
Weight
100kg rider weight
approx. 10kg bike weight incl wheels
occasional bikepacking so prob needs to be good up to 130kg
will be running 50mm to 60mm tires
mainly road use but with little bit of easy gravel
slicks normally but little bit of tread if weather wetter
weekly 1 x 2-3hr ride. Daily 15 miles.
currently using 60mm WTB fat slicks
thinking 28mm internal rim width in order to get good profile on 50 – 60mm tires on road
Basically I’m using the bike as a road bike since road bike got nicked. I know they are fat tires for road but it is super comfortable. I want to make the bike as fast possible on road with this new wheelset and wide tire configuration…. however would be interested to know to what extent our choice of wheelset could be used for gravel (easy to gnarly) and the odd bikepacking adventure (both road and gravel)
Hubs and whether alloy or carbon open to discussion. Budget starts at £500 and max out at £1000.
Thanks for your time.
Chris.
PS currently own some WTB i23s serra hubs which took to halfords to get trued but they couldn’t fix. Does that mean need to bin them? was looking for advice and whether could bring back to life ? or perhaps convert into off road set / bikepacking wheels in which case could dial-in new wheelset to be even more road focused.
PPS I don’t know a lot about hubs except different mechanisms, a little bit about different levels of engagement, and noise level, so will defo benefit from advice on this. Guess keeping weight down is main thing.
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Bristol
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Russell Town Avenue
Bristol
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